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Tongues

6 - Aesthetic and Function suggestions

What is the enhancement in mind? How should it look and feel?

Small aesthetic changes:

1) Button Facade (or CyCircled) support for the Tongues minimenu button.

2) When viewing the main menu, the Tongues icon in the upper left-hand corner does not match the circle outline still evident in the background.

Function change:

1) A way to quickly change the language selected, rather than having to open the main menu and select from the drop-down menu. Clicking on the minimenu button for example (as is possible currently in Lore.)

2) Ability to use ESC to close out the main menu - right now, it can only be closed by mouse-click.

3) If I am a Blood Elf, and I speak Thalassian, shouldn't the default Thalassian be used, so that other Blood Elves who do not have Tongues will still understand me? Perhaps there could be some sort of setting that acknowledges the player's race and lets their race's language not be affected by Tongues, if Tongues is used to change languages. Right now, if I am a Blood Elf and I speak Orcish, Horde players who do not have Tongues can still understand me, which works fine.

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  • Avatar of skrulladams skrulladams Jul 30, 2008 at 16:38 UTC - 0 likes

    I've gotten alot of feedback on Moon Guard. The quick language change is by far the #1 request -- I'm going to put the Quick Language change and Button Facade/cyCircled support as 2 separate tickets and close this one out.

    Also I have some concerns about the ESC menu blocking other keys, and I'll have to turn it off for now until I can figure an elegant way around it.

    Changed status from 'Accepted' to 'Fixed'

  • Avatar of skrulladams skrulladams Jul 29, 2008 at 16:23 UTC - 0 likes

    Everything on this has been taken care of except the Button Facade/CyCircled support, and the quick change if needed.

    For the Quick Change of languages would you prefer a command like "/language Thalassian" or a dropdown menu?

    Right now the way to switch would be

    /script Tongues.Settings.Character.Language = "Thalassian"

    you can put that in a macro and then you can just click the button to switch.

    I have sent you a PM on Curse and an email in game.

  • Avatar of Avanina Avanina Jul 26, 2008 at 12:15 UTC - 0 likes

    Please check your inbox on Curse - I sent you a PM regarding helping you test. :)

  • Avatar of skrulladams skrulladams Jul 25, 2008 at 15:26 UTC - 0 likes

    Avanina

    3) Something new to add: When I move the Tongues minimenu button, the location does not stick upon the next time I load the character. Right now, it tends to default to the bottom middle of my screen, while I have manually set it closer to the bottom left of the screen.

    This would only happen if it couldn't load the variables for some reason. I'll look into why you may be having this happen.

    4) Something I have noticed, if Tongues lists the languages my character understands, I will get the following printout:

    Common = 100% Demonic = 84% Orcish = 100% Thalassian = 100%

    My character is a Blood Elf, so I am confused why she knows "Common" as that is the Human first language. Could this be a placeholder? "Common" does not appear in the drop-down box for languages in the Speak section.

    This is a placeholder as you suggested. I was also making the assumption that everyone would want to continue to know their 'Common' (Orcish or Common) by default. Especially with your proposed change this wouldn't make sense.

    3) As it stands, any race can know 2 languages maximum by Blizzard's mechanisms. Humans and Orcs can only know Common and Orcish respectively. I suppose the question is, which route it more efficient or logical - checkbox (manual) or automatic detection.

    I will have to do a bit of additional coding to accomplish 'encrypting' common/orcish from non-human non-orcish players, but this sounds like a very good idea... along with taking out Common=100% by default alot would be possible. On the planned future enchancement of automatic language learning, if you spent alot of time in Orgrimmar you would eventually learn Orcish. This won't make this next release (since it's almost finished) so it will be the next one after it.

    Thanks for your continued communcation... I'll even go one further, if you'd be willing to be a test subject for some of the new features, it will help speed along my development. Let me know on which server you normally play and what time (GMT) you'd be available. I'll see if I can schedule something.

  • Avatar of Avanina Avanina Jul 25, 2008 at 14:15 UTC - 0 likes

    skrulladams, thank you for your quick reply.

    Aesthetic change:

    1) Button Facade and CyCircled handle skinning differently; Phanx explains the differences in the following post: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12549.msg226901#msg226901

    2) I completely understand the priority, though I am glad it will be fixed.

    3) Something new to add: When I move the Tongues minimenu button, the location does not stick upon the next time I load the character. Right now, it tends to default to the bottom middle of my screen, while I have manually set it closer to the bottom left of the screen.

    Function changes:

    1) I am completely unfamiliar with this script method you mention. I don't know how to employ it and therefore can't really say much about it, though I do hope that it will be rather straight-forward and quick so that a person could quickly change their language without missing out on a fast-going conversation (for example.)

    2) Glad for the ESC fix.

    3) As it stands, any race can know 2 languages maximum by Blizzard's mechanisms. Humans and Orcs can only know Common and Orcish respectively. I suppose the question is, which route it more efficient or logical - checkbox (manual) or automatic detection.

    4) Something I have noticed, if Tongues lists the languages my character understands, I will get the following printout:

    Common = 100% Demonic = 84% Orcish = 100% Thalassian = 100%

    My character is a Blood Elf, so I am confused why she knows "Common" as that is the Human first language. Could this be a placeholder? "Common" does not appear in the drop-down box for languages in the Speak section.

    Again, thank you for taking the time to listen and reply. I was glad to see that Tongues was placed back on Curse, I remember seeing it uploaded months ago, but then removed.

  • Avatar of skrulladams skrulladams Jul 24, 2008 at 19:46 UTC - 0 likes

    Small aesthetic changes: 1) I should definately support this methods. Thanks for the suggestion. 2) I have beem meaning to fix that but it took lower priority over the bug fixes and frankly I'm suprised anyone noticed! A fix will be in the next version.


    Function change: 1) I saw a similar suggestion elsewhere and I'll concider it. One way to do this would be to provide the ability to change it via command line so that people could write their own scripts (techincally you can already do this, but it's not documented.)

    2) I have noticed the same issue with ESC myself as an annoyance. That will be fixed in the next version.

    3) I have been thinking about this for quite some time now. The best solution I could come up with was a checkbox to Use Blizzard Languages, but maybe the better solution is to do what you suggest and have an obtion that only affects your racial language. This will most likely make the next version, but may have to come in on the next after that.

    Thanks again for the suggestions, I always take note and try to work with my user base.

    Changed status from 'New' to 'Accepted'

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Last updated
Jul 30, 2008
Reported
Jul 23, 2008
Status
Fixed - Developer made requested changes. QA should verify.
Type
Enhancement - A change which is intended to better the project in some way
Priority
Medium - Normal priority.
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