Old: Travel+10% < Cat+20% (154% < 156%)
  New: Travel+10% = Cat+20% (150% = 150%)
- [i]I don't think Cat+20% is possible at all, so this is probably meaningless. And, again, it's not slowing you down, just limiting a form.[/i]
+ [i]I don't think Cat+20% is possible at all, so this is probably meaningless. And, again, it's not slowing you down, just limiting a form. Edit: More importantly, the +20% would probably apply to Travel Form too, so it wouldn't matter.[/i]

  Old: Apprentice+0% < Travel+15% < Travel+20% (160% < 161% < 168%)
  New: Travel+15% < Travel+20% = Apprentice+0% (155% < 160% = 160%)
- [i]As above, I don't think Travel+20% is possible, so that change isn't important. However the Travel+15% change is important and is the topic of this ticket.[/i]
+ [i]As above, I don't think Travel+20% is possible, so that change isn't important. However the Travel+15% change is important and is the topic of this ticket. Edit: As noted in a follow-up comment, Travel+25% may be possible, and is also important.[/i]
  Old: Master+0% < Artisan+10% < Artisan+15% < Master+10% < Artisan+20% (410% < 418% < 437% < 451% < 456%)
  New: Artisan+10% < Artisan+15% < Artisan+20% < Master+0% < Master+10% (390% < 395% < 400% < 410% < 420%)

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  tiker Aug 12, 2015 at 15:28 UTC - 0 likes

  Thanks for all of the information.  I have not fully read all of your comments yet but I will when I get time to start updating the code with what I find.

  Up to now, I've determined the various numbers for speed using a mod that calculates the movement speed.  (This mod does the actual calculations based on the map's location coordinates and not from the movement speed APIs.)

  The druid speed related stuff was last updated with WoD beta.  Since I don't play a Druid I don't have an opportunity to test and update unless there's a PTR or Beta server available.  GoGoMount currently only checks the movement speed modifications from spells, buffs and talents.  Currently, GoGoMount does not check for Enchants.

  I do plan on making some major improvements over calculating movement speeds and plan on including enchants since travel forms are now improved by enchants as well.  This will take some time to complete.

  Want to chat? You'll find me here if I'm online:
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  Vaerolaeli Jun 18, 2015 at 08:20 UTC - 0 likes

  It looks like the Gift of <Stat> cloak enchants stack with Feline Swiftness (says the comment on the Gift of Mastery page). This means a 25% speed buff is possible in Cat Form and maybe Travel Form. Also, anything like Pandaren's Step stacks with the talent, but the different enchants don't stack with each other. So you'd need to check for different enchants, but not for combinations of enchants - just start with +10% speed, then work down if those aren't found.

  Comments on the Feline Swiftness page state the talent does *not* stack with Glyph of Aquatic Form or Glyph of Travel. Comments on the Mount Up page say the guild buff does *not* apply to Travel Form, so the following speeds should be possible:

  Run = Running on Foot, Cat = Cat Form, Trav = Travel Form, Gift = Gift Enchant (or equivalent), FeSw = Feline Swiftness Talent, GlTrav = Glyph of Travel, MntUp = Mount Up Guild Perk, StabPerk = Level 3 Stable Perk (or the Paladin or DK passives for comparison, although you can't have those and be a druid), Turtle = Sea Turtle or Riding Turtle, RegRide = Apprentice Riding (+60%) Mounts, FastRide = Journeyman Riding (+100%) Mounts.

  By absolute speed, ground:
  100% - Run
  110% - Turtle + MntUp
  110% - Run + Gift
  115% - Run + FeSw
  125% - Run + FeSw + Gift
  130% - Cat
  140% - Cat + Gift
  140% - Trav
  145% - Cat + FeSw
  150% - Trav + Gift
  155% - Cat + FeSw + Gift
  155% - Trav + FeSw
  160% - RegRide
  165% - Trav + FeSw + Gift
  170% - RegRide + MntUp
  180% - RegRide + StabPerk
  200% - Trav + GlTrav
  200% - FastRide
  210% - FastRide + MntUp
  220% - FastRide + StabPerk

  As above, most of the buffs will affect both Cat and Travel Forms, so you don't have to worry about Cat + FeSw > Trav and so forth. Of note, however:
  1. Running with Feline Swiftness is faster than a turtle, and with a 10% enchant is the same as a turtle, so you'd want to just keep running in those cases. Although I like the functionality that standing still and hitting my button will summon a random mount as long it's as the same speed as no mount or an instant mount (like I can already summon a gryphon while standing still instead of just always using swift flight form).
  2. Trav + FeSw + Gift is faster than RegRide, like Trav + FeSw used to be, so you'd want to use Travel Form instead of mounting in that case.
  3. Trav + GlTrav is the same speed as FastRide, but instant-cast, so you're better off with Travel Form than mounting, unless you have the guild perk, or are in Draenor with a level 3 stable (or are somehow a pally/DK with access to Travel Form :/).

  Swim = Swimming like normal, GlAq = Glyph of Aquatic Form.

  By absolute speed, water:
  67% - Swim
  77% - Swim + Gift
  101% - Trav
  108% - Turtle
  111% - Trav + Gift
  135% - Trav + GlAq
  145% - Trav + Gift + GlAq

  Starter accounts can't trade or browse the AH and you need level 25 for the glyph, so I can't test the enchant or glyph. I'm assuming the +10% is additive and works in water. Feline Swiftness doesn't affect swimming speed or water travel form. The guild and stable buffs shouldn't affect the turtle's swimming speed, but I can't test that. In this case, the noteworthy buff is that Travel Form with either an enchant or the glyph are faster than the sea turtle. I don't know if this is being taken into account already or not, but we should always use Travel Form over the turtle if there's a buff. If the enchant doesn't work for swimming then we would only care about the glyph.

  One last point to consider is the Speed tertiary stat. As far as I know it only affects running speed, and therefore things like Cat Form and Travel Form, but not ground or flying mounts. I'm not sure how much you can stack, but as little as 5% would make Travel Form with Feline Swiftness as fast as a regular mount, and 5% with the talent and a Gift enchant would put it on par with a ground mount and the Mount Up perk. 7% puts regular Travel Form on par with a turtle in the water (if Speed affects swimming), and 10% could put Glyphed Travel Form on par with epic ground mounts with the guild perk. 15% puts Travel Form with the enchant and talent on par with regular ground mounts and the stable perk (although it's highly unlikely anyone would still have regular riding and a level 3 stable), and 20% puts glyphed Travel Form as fast as an epic ground mount with the stable perk (or a DK/Pally).

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  Vaerolaeli Jun 16, 2015 at 09:42 UTC - 0 likes

  Misspelled the title. Derp.